matt
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2007 8:26:33 GMT -5
I was hoping people could help me figure out what the best sites are for all the different wind directions. I threw together a quick one based on the website sailing descriptions on the website.
Wind Direction,Best,2nd Best
N,Montana Beach,Sampson State Park
NE,Durand,
E,Webster Park,Durand
SE,Seneca (Chamber of Commerce),Canandaigua
S,Seneca (Chamber of Commerce),Canandaigua
SW,Seneca (State Park),Long Pond,Hamburg
W,Webster Park,Durand
NW,Durand,Hamburg
Thanks,
Matt
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Post by waterauthorityrick on Sept 26, 2007 10:42:58 GMT -5
Wind Direction,Best,2nd Best
N,Montana Beach,Sampson State Park
NE,Montana,Durand,
E,Grass Beach ontario towards Hamilin, Oneida Lake,
SE,Seneca (Chamber of Commerce),Canandaigua
S,Seneca (Chamber of Commerce),Canandaigua
SW,Hamburg, Long Pond
W,Webster Park,Durand
NW,Durand, Webster Park,
My opinion anyone else?
H2O Rick
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Post by brianw on Sept 26, 2007 14:37:27 GMT -5
I agree with Ricks list, although I've never sailed Sampson park. Rick, how is the sailing/launch at Sampson? Is it worth the trip?
Brian
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Post by waterauthorityrick on Sept 26, 2007 15:15:16 GMT -5
Brian,
If you want uninterrupted fetch in the north and live in Rochester the first choice is Montana beach, but the wind is so onshore prepare to break a mast in the surf. It is difficult to get out especially in the stronger winds. I've had success on a given few mornings sailing from the bay pier to the summer-ville pier in the north winds on my formula; timed it once, did it in 11 mins.
Sampson is a very gentle launch side shore no mast or boom breakage due to lack of surf.
By the way I left you at Webster Saturday and sailed at the mouth of the bay, thanks for being my wind dummy.
H2O Rick
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Post by Windydoug on Sept 26, 2007 15:17:36 GMT -5
Im looking at the flow viz for Friday, and it is saying NW. NOAA is going for West.
THEORETICALLY THINKING, if NW doesn't come in to Durand Durand, is Grass Beach sailable and worth it for NW? I've never been to Webster on NW, is it a lot of pinching?
Brian,
I've sailed Sampson once. It was 6.5 and pretty much South wind Seneca in reverse. It seemed like the swell was a little bigger and more spread out....that was three years ago though. The launch is a sandy beach. The negative though is (and ask Ken about this one) that their is a marina with a concrete breakwall to the south of the launch, and if the wind quits it is a long walk from the other side of the breakwall.
Doug
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Post by brianw on Sept 26, 2007 15:57:33 GMT -5
Rick,
Happy to help with the wind dummy thing. I wish I had my formula gear with me, because I definitely would have used it. I keep on telling myself I will never leave home without it again and what do I go and do... leave it home sitting in my garage, again. I wish I would learn that lesson.
I knew you had your formula, but I wasn't sure if you went home or to another site. I guess I have my answer.
You know its been a bad day when you spend 3 hours traveling across upstate NY and all you have to show for it is 2 hula sessions.
Brian
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Post by waterauthorityrick on Sept 26, 2007 19:06:13 GMT -5
DOUGLAS,
Get your tail out from between your legs and sail at Webster. I sailed at Webster my first year owning a sailboard. Give yourself a little more credit you've been on a board a great number of years. What if your students acted in the same fashion your acting in with regards to playing dodge ball in your class? " Oh! maybe I can play pingpong in Ms. Roberts class if NW doesn't work"
Bill was out at Webster, and I didn't hear any death stories. The water is shallow enough to walk up wind of the launch if the pier is your concern. Heck we all have walked up wind before, and walk back from the other side of the pier. The rewards of the best sailing spot in the Rochester area will only be captured by your camera lens. No one knows what Grass beach is like in the NW because no one leaves wind to find wind.
Did someone say Wind Friday?
H2O RIck
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Post by Windydoug on Sept 27, 2007 8:55:36 GMT -5
I think I just got called up from the farm team by Rick. NO grazing at Grass Beach for me.
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Post by waterauthorityrick on Sept 28, 2007 19:35:34 GMT -5
Let's hear it, Who, What, Where & When.
Scorza & I were at Webster, Dan was on a 4.8 I by mistake went out on a 5.2 but since it was late I didn't come in to make any changes until 7:30. Yes the wind was on shore a bit but the pier was never an issue, neither was what Jim King called the scum. Perhaps it was washed out by the time we got there. I did notice a little more spinning out, Dan said there were pieces of tiny weeds that would get onto the fin if you sailed close into shore, I just attributed to my lack of sailing.
Still blowing strong here on the bluff, it should keep me up all night. No Miller this weekend he is in Seattle for a medical conference, Thanks Richard.
Finally H2O Rick
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Post by Windydoug on Sept 28, 2007 19:55:23 GMT -5
Rick-
Where to go tomorrow if it is still going at 5 a.m.? Montana is good in a North wind? I don't want to break anything in big surf. What about Durand or launching on the Eastern side of the Charlotte Pier? My alarm is set for 5:30. Leave a post if you read this in time.
So Dan got out eh? I called him at 6 ish and he wasn't up for it.
Later,
WD
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Post by waterauthorityrick on Sept 28, 2007 20:32:25 GMT -5
Doug,
Direct North winds falling off as the night progresses, it has to blow an awful long time to stay sailable by morning, not to good a chance for the morning. But I could be wrong I'm going to be a lumberjack instead. Rig a big sail to punch through the surf if you go, once up wind it's OK I'd say Montana would have the most wind while the sun is rising and heating the land should the clouds be minimum.
H2O Rick
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matt
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Post by matt on Sept 29, 2007 6:31:09 GMT -5
Guys,
Thanks for your help on the spreadsheet of sailing sites. Is Montana beach the one where you park near the Irondequoit bay boat launch and walk down a path next the removable bridge over the channel?
Good call on the wind Doug. I got the “you should have been here earlier” treatment from Joe last weekend when we showed up at 11am at Canandaigua. So I only took 4 hours today to hopefully catch some this morning. Looks like back to bed.
I thought it was always windy in September.
Matt
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Post by Windydoug on Sept 29, 2007 13:42:10 GMT -5
Matt,
That is Montana. It may be easier to carry your stuff through the path in the woods to get to the beach.
Bummer on the wind. I was up at around 5:30 and bummed out. Rick is right though...it would have had to blow an awful long time to still be sailable.
In othe news......
Lumberjack Rick,
I (and Jason Berry) have gotten Dave Jewett (sawyer/axman extraordinaire) to give windsurfing another try. The last time he sailed was back in the day with Charles Corby and Jason in the late 80's.....still using a tie on front end! I am heading to his house this afternoon with a couple of old booms (one a 2 year old alum. HPL),extensions etc., and a couple of sails. Jason is hooking him up with a board and mast this week in Jersey. Hopefully he gets back into it. He is athletic as hell and should pick it up quick. He's been surfing in Jersey for a lot of years.
Doug
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Post by waterauthorityrick on Sept 29, 2007 19:06:27 GMT -5
www.weather.com/maps/maptype/currentweatherusnational/index_large.html?from=wxcenter_mapsFor those of you thinking that it could or would have been windy today, Please look up into the sky; when you see that BIG "H" directly over Rochester all bets are off for windsurfing. (See link for visual) My question and hope is that the system behind the High stays wound up by the time it reaches Rochester. I know it has been a few days now in Michigan they have been sailing 4.0 Lets also talk about "Pier Fear" sure yesterday Dan and I never had to look first before jibing since there were only two of us on the water. But really our sailing friends missed a sailing session in Rochester that didn't require pay tolls and half a tank of gas. Yes Durand Durand works in the spring / summer with a touch of bay thermal, but in the fall the wind wants nothing better to do than get to the Atlantic as fast as possible and the shortest distance is through St. Lawrence River, there is no time for the wind to stop into the "cove" we call Rochester. Dave Jewett? That is good news. I remember when he went to Crystal Beach with us just to watch us windsurf. Now is Jason just been visiting? I heard he was on the water a few weeks ago. H2O Rick
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Post by Windydoug on Sept 30, 2007 18:47:53 GMT -5
Jason was up for a fund raiser a couple of weeks ago on the Durand day that should have been at Webster. He was in town for a fund raiser for Dave.....he had a kidney transplant 2 months ago. I think Jason may be back before it snows....not sure.
Doug
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Post by mikeyz on Oct 1, 2007 9:53:54 GMT -5
Looks like I am missing out on a good Canadaigua session : (
I did expect that wind to stay up all morning. Perhaps tomorrow.
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matt
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2007 9:55:31 GMT -5
Might it last? I may be able to sneak out at 3-330 and be there by 4-430.
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Post by David on Oct 2, 2007 0:37:19 GMT -5
Had a killer session at Seneca this morning on my 12m kite. Wind was 16-22 S, SE I rode from 06:30 - 11:30 when Joe, Lyn, and Kel showed up for some riding and the wind shifted to more S. Pretty good overall and the dawn sessions on Seneca always seem to be pretty good.
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Post by David on Oct 2, 2007 1:08:56 GMT -5
Along the lines of this thread I sailed Hamlin Beach State Park last October, mid month off one of the nice beaches, I think the 3rd pull off. I was out for about 30 minutes, good waves coming in with a side onshore wind with nobody around when a truck pulls up and a worker stands on the shore and waves me in. He proceeds to inform me that I cannot windsurf off the beach and that if I am going to launch I need to do it in the small boat launch near the entrance. Not sure if any of you have seen the small boat launch but it is pathetic; some old broken cement slabs that are in a jumble and covered in slime, a ding on the board just waiting to happen and way downwind of the good sandy beaches. I asked what the rules are for beach launching at any time of the year and he said there is no entrance to the water from any point that is not guarded and no access to the water outside the marked swimming areas. Unbelievable! There is some great sailing to be had up there with sand bars and 2 nice points that waves in a West wind break around for some good rides. Seems like a waste of resources and another example of NYS making rules for the sake of litigation and not allowing people to have fun. Anyway I am moving form Rochester for better wind soon but it would be worth someone pursuing because it is a good western aspect that is only 1/2 hour away. Just a thought.
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Post by Windydoug on Oct 2, 2007 7:41:54 GMT -5
David,
Where are you going??!!!! Bummer for us. It has been great to have you in town and posting on the forum. Wherever you go, keep us in mind and keep us updated on your adventures.
Later,
Doug
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